Comparing handwriting samples is considered not reliable. That store sold Gibson greeting cards. It means buying into the idea that Riverside was linked, which has never been fully proven. Again, I have plenty of sympathy for people with mental issues and I appreciate your passion, but you seem to be arguing RS can’t be Z because RS was mentally ill and that him acting strangely is not a basis for closer investigation. Like this alleged meeting with a cop that talked to him about Gaikowski that he only mentions after that cop is dead. What's really messed up is that breaking out of mental hospitals was a claim made by the Riverside UC Library sleuth who thought Ross murdered Bates. I don’t feel Sullivan or Bates had any ties to Z. Then we have the dubious position of two separate authors. The evidence against him is that there is absolutely zero evidence for him as Zodiac. Like this alleged meeting with a cop that talked to him about Gaikowski that he only mentions after that cop is dead. Ross Sullivan. I don’t recall when I-5 was completed. They have evidence they still haven't released, by all accounts, so one would assume they know something we don't. If you’d never heard of Bundy or Gacey, and had no concept of psychopathy, your most naive assumption would be some ghoulish figure on the outer edges of society – And Ross Sullivan fits that bill quite neatly. I’m not sure exactly why you “resent” interest in RS and I don’t see how he was discriminated against. However in recent years there has been a strong body of evidence that suggests that this earlier view may have been mistaken and that people living with schizophrenia are responsible for more aggressive and violent acts than people who do not suffer from the condition.5 Whilst current research evidence points sharply in this direction (indeed some researchers suggest that it points conclusively in this direction14) it still raises many unanswered questions as the various studies often use different methodologies. Ross Sullivan’s arrest articles states he’s 6’2 and over 300 lbs ! There are some similarities in Sullivan's writing compared to Z, but a couple differences too, but the quality is not the best for sure. The two biggest weaknesses I could recall was that he was larger than Z was (if you can trust eyewitness testimony) and that, despite him possibly being in the Bay Area at the time, he wasn’t really tied to locations in the vicinity of Vallejo. Just my 2c, I don't think someone who knew her would necessarily need a ruse like the disabled car to get close to her. The library staff themselves wrote to law enforcement and called for him to be investigated. Nicely done. Just an observation. Examination of the quality of the latent fingerprints and palm prints. https://www.livingwithschizophreniauk.org/advice-sheets/schizophrenia-and-dangerous-behaviour/. from the letters, Bates had spurned her attacker and he was seeking revenge. Not only was he ruled out on 2 different alibis, 2 different sources of fingerprints, he had no scratches on him that the killer surely would have had. The most notorious serial killer in living memory may finally be unmasked thanks to DNA samples retrieved from the Riverside, California, murder of Cheri Jo Bates, 18, in 1966. Ross was very unhealthy. That’s in writing. But everything we’ve witnessed in subsequent decades teaches us that, more likely than not, the guilty was a family man, possibly a community man, possibly a religious man, possibly a vocational man (say teacher, police or other) and not some murky figure who spooked a few people because their behavior fell outside the remit of what is deemed acceptable– i.e. Ross Sullivan seems like a pretty good suspect from what I have read/seen/heard. I also don't think someone who knew her would be stupid enough to leave their watch at the crime-scene. So I have to ask, is there concrete proof that z (same person) did the shooting, the stabbing, and then the cab shooting? The show is a train wreck as far as fact-checking goes but that’s another story. U provide no good reason not to believe this. Yes. They generally agree he’s about 180-210. Ross Sullivan does not meet the profile of *serial killers* that have evolved over time. From my experience on most forums, 9/10 people who refuse to even consider the possibility of Gaikowski being Zodiac are usually people who … This is an email I received from Tom Voigt regarding why he didn’t have Ross Sullivan as a suspect for the zodiac. Zodiac Killer Site- Ross Sullivan On February 22nd 2014 Mike Morford, aka Morf13, reignited a thread from his previous forum, concerning a person of interest in the Zodiac case. I look at it from the other perspective...I think the letter was pure deception, to make the police look at people Cheri knew and those close to her. How can people have evidence againt him after this video showing his handwriting ? Again, this does not mean RS is Z. Post theories, questions, and discussion threads about suspects. Ross Sullivan is one of the prime suspect and has 3 S in his name. I really don’t buy that Riverside is connected to Z but not bc any of the reason you cite. 2. — and conduct a carefully planned killing spree, seems highly unlikely. There’s alot of misinformation about Ross Sullivan mainly spread thru The Hunt for the Zodiac. Just to gather the information in a single thread, what is the evidence which points away from Sullivan being Z? B. While I may not agree with every point and every suspect, the posts are almost always well thought out and presented in a coherent manner. For what’s its worth from a guy you don’t know on the internet, I’ve spent a LOT of time with the known Ross Sullivan pictures. I don't know about that, he was no doubt familiar with the area, but he called Blue Rock springs "the public park". If he was in the mental hospital during the beressa attack that would be the hardest one to commit, if he did supposedly break out. I’ve been dipping in and out of this case for quite a few years and I want to say: given my own experience people close to me suffering mental illness, and everything I’ve read about RS’s family’s take on this, I’ve grown to strongly resent the community’s interest in RS as a suspect. Ross Sullivan became a person of interest through the possible link between the Zodiac Killer and the murder of Cheri Jo Bates in Riverside. ROSS SULLIVAN. Discussion in 'Mayberry Lounge' started by LockardTheGOAT, Oct 23, 2019. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the ZodiacKiller community. The height and weight are very consistent across the board for witnesses. Was Ross Sullivan the Zodiac Killer?★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★If you … Zodiac took three trophies from the scene: Stine's wallet, keys, and a blood stained piece of Stine's shirt. In our Ross Sullivan wiki, we will examine what is known about the man in question and his connection to the Zodiac Killer case. As an aside, I always enjoy the discussion on this sub. BILL WARNER INVESTIGATIONS private detective agency cheaters & child custody cases. So I have to ask, is there concrete proof that z (same person) did the shooting, the stabbing, and then the cab shooting? These alibis completely rule him out. The ZODIAC KILLER, The Story of Ross Sullivan Ross Sullivan was a mentally ill teenager when he was committed to the California Patton State Mental Hospital in the late 1950's and early 60's after his Mom died. Tore off a piece of shirt? But there’s also a good chance he was likely ruled out on handwriting: The Enterprise Nov 24th 1970 editions Headline says: “Detectives hope to find Zodiacs handwriting in City College Records” Captain Irving Cross states in the article that detectives assigned to the case are checking the City College Records of people who attended RCC. That store sold tickets to The Mikado. Sullivan was a library assistant at Riverside City College and was suspected by coworkers who said that he went missing for several days after the murder. And he has (AFAIK) no known ties to the North Bay Area at all, and can't be placed there, ever. He’s a detective? Seems a local would have instinctively called it by name. And what all these accusations smack of – including the letter from the Librarians – is a near sighted understanding. This is wrong, there is alot of evidence against him. Hell, his own Brother thought Ross was Zodiac. So the notion that a suspect like RS could manage a serious psychiatric illness — IN THE 60s! She indicates she called RPD and was told by them that Ross Sullivan had an alibi. If law enforcement didn’t pursue leads from the library workers because they noted he was creepy, they would have been grossly negligent. Recent news articles and other evidence relevant to the case are also allowed here. Well for one, He wore military like clothing and boots as stated by a 1960's librarian near the Kathy Bates murder, he wore military like clothing and worked at the library before so he knew the area and those vacant houses where he murdered her. Sullivan was born in Syracuse, New York to Harold and Harriet Sullivan. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the ZodiacKiller community. This is a subreddit designed for the mature discussion of the Zodiac Killer case. I just can’t agree with your argument on the grounds you cite. He also was seen reading a lot of cryptological books. Of what mental illness actually means. First off, I appreciate you highlighting the mental illness aspect, which I think gets overlooked. Morf is one the one who resurrected the already-checked-out suspect of Ross Sullivan and even he confirms it’s him because iirc Dave Peterson has gotten Sullivan’s background check and found an arrest with an almost identical date and Morf found this arrest article which perfectly matches Ross’ background check. However, the tools at reddit can't focus on Gaikowski; instead they bring in the kitchen sink as a distraction. Ross Sullivan SUSPECT (1968)age: 27height: 6’2″weight: 260 lbshair: blondEyes: bluewore glasses? Sullivan… This got a little traction on reddit on 10/20/20 so let me add some more photos of Ross to use for your own comparison. Florida Gulf Coast Serial Killer Mark Riebe. Just to gather the information in a single thread, what is the evidence which points away from Sullivan being Z? At least for beressa unless Z didn’t do Cheri Jo Bates even though he had an airtight alibi for that. Even the #1 Ross Sullivan researcher says its him. Sullivan was a very viable suspect for the Bates murder. The Zodiac Killer Was (Probably) Ross Sullivan. However, recent research demonstrates people with schizophrenia ARE more likely to be violent and/or lead more dangerous lives (ex: substance abuse issues). Obviously it wasnt a match or the case would be solved. I have a letter from Dave Peterson to Bud Kelly where he states that Dave Toschi told him that they compared Ross Sullivan’s prints to PH’s and it was not a match. Sullivan’s photos and descriptions match many of the Zodiac descriptions. And one more question, where was Ross during the time of no z letters. I don’t see the difference between Z and Son of Sam. Post theories, questions, and discussion threads about suspects. FBI Gathers DNA Evidence From Zodiac Subject's Son Charles Tarrance and Ross Sullivan. What makes me uncomfortable about Ross Sullivan as a suspect is quite clearly, the man suffered from mental illness (my understanding would be Schizophrenia, but I don’t really know). Some similarities in his writing to Z but idk. I’m sorry if this post upsets anyone. Ross Sullivan’s arrest articles states he’s 6’2 and over 300 lbs ! Page 2 of 3 < Prev 1 2 3 Next > Strychnine Steel Belt. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. His Methodist Preacher father, who graduated from Yale Divinity School, earned a Masters Degree from Harvard and his Doctorate from Princeton, effectively abandoned his family at … There are so many interesting connections with that store and the Zodiac case. mental illness. But History Channel's new docuseries, The Hunt for the Zodiac … Decades later, analysts on the History Channel’s The Hunt for the Zodiac Killer, found that both Zodiac and the unknown Riverside suspect misspelled twitch as “twich.” Arthur Leigh Allen and fellow Zodiac suspects Rick Marshall and Ross Sullivan have been placed in Riverside at the time of the Bates murder. The recent History Channel series, The Hunt for the Zodiac Killer, steered away from Allen and focused its investigation on suspects Lawrence Kane and Ross Sullivan. Didn’t his own brother have suspicions? He died in 1977 at the very young age of 34 from “Extreme Obesity” Zodiac was more than likely around 5’10 give or take an inch or 2. None that we know of, however for some reason police seem convinced the four attacks are connected. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. From someone who has both family and friends that suffer from mental illness, I can certainly appreciate the impact. A bunch of big time Zodiac researchers discuss this, including Tom Voigt and Mike Morford. This was seen as a claim he'd taken 37 lives. Oh well please point us to another 6’3 300 lb man from Riverside, who lives in Santa Cruz that was also a diagnosed schizophrenic. My point is that it does not make him less likely to be Z, but, statistically makes him more likely to be Z. His name has only 12 characters and I wonder if he included his middle name's initial or a space in the cipher. Since we know SFPD had RS prints then that tells us RPD obviously compared him to Riversides prints that were the killers in grease from where he disabled her car. In 1961 he attends Riverside City College, where he worked as a library assistant. With the exception of Ted Kaczynski, the killers you’ve listed are far from organized, unlike the person calling themselves ‘The Zodiac’. If he was a suspect for Z they could easily get them. A geographical note: the travel time from Riverside (east of Los Angeles heading into the high desert towards Las Vegas) to the Bay Area is half a day, at least. How was Z organized? Richard Gaikowski. In the documentary, the former LAPD murder detective Sal LaBarbera and cold-case expert Ken Mains re-examined evidence from … He was a big man he weighed around 200-250 pounds and was very similar to the descriptions. Zodiac's Halloween card … He also has an alibi for Cheri jo bates murder. Overall, I think people need to really check themselves. That info has been on the Internet for more than a dozen years. I am not convinced RS is Z at all. Zodiac Suspect Ross Sullivan Was an Actor in Glendale Student Movie in 1959 as a Killer Then Spent 3 years in Mental Hospital for Criminally Insane in 1961. Anyone I’ve known to suffer from an illness like Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar can have difficult periods in their life where organizing their daily affairs becomes hard, if not impossible. People suffering Schizophrenia are no more likely to murder than someone who is not. Ross Sullivan seems like a pretty good suspect from what I have read/seen/heard. What is that conversation with the cop about Gaikowski? It seems all but certain that Z knew Vallejo quite well, but there's no evidence Sullivan ever so much as visited that county. He died in 1977 at the very young age of 34 from “Extreme Obesity” Zodiac was more than likely around 5’10 give or take an inch or 2. Sullivan is a possibility, though not too likely because of his mental disability and unknown residences. So this begs the question: are young schizophrenic men more likely to attack others than sane men of the same age and a definitive answer to that question is not easy to come by. Co-workers stated that Sullivan bragged about going to Patton State Mental Hospital. I don't rule out Sullivan on the bases of these supposed alibis. In the end, you’ll have to make up your own mind. This DOES NOT mean RS is Z. "Three teenage siblings on the second floor of 3899 Washington, directly across the street from the cab" saw Zodiac wiping down the cab, before he left. If you take away the glasses, Ross still looks almost exactly like the Zodiac sketch. There are some who say “oh well he was actually closer to 275” but even that’s just far too big. Press J to jump to the feed. And a likely one. With regards to your comment which seems to imply that serial killers are “normal” people, your argument suffers from selection bias. Yeah sorry I just realized I didn’t mention the whole email. Zodiac Killer: DNA Unlocks Clues to His Identity as Detectives Zero in on Larry Kane and Ross Sullivan from Binghamton NY. He was a very large man indeed. It so happens that young people also make up the majority of violent offenders in the UK generally. Ross Sullivan doesn’t even make a good suspect for Riverside.