In Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia (George Way of Plean & Romilly Squire) - in this Lord Lyon approved book published in 1998, MacAlister is a clan with a chief and a member of the Standing Counsel of Scottish Chiefs. At one time, St. Magnus was the patron saint of the Gunns. In the context of Scottish clans, septs are families that followed another family's chief, or part of the extended family and that hold a different surname.These smaller septs would then be part of the chief's larger clan. There is also a possibility of some Swansons (and Swans one should assume) may be of Graham stock. Thus the Gunns became scattered throughout the Caithness and Sutherland area, especially in four main branches. Of course, we will probably never know but it is a tantalising thought. But perhaps it is a legitimate mistake and someone will address the problem. In Kith & Kin (Collins)- These names are listed as septs of Clan MacAlister. Alastair Gunn, Why Clan Gunn ‘Chiefs’ are not of Norse / Orkney Islands / Viking descent, visited Oct. 14, 2019. Chieftain? [More on that in "History of Clan Gunn, Vol. The Crowner who lived in the 15th century had many sons before his death at the hands of the Keiths at St. Tayres. The surname Gunn derives from Gun, Gunnar, or Gunni (depending upon the intepretation of historian) who was a grandson of Sweyn the Pirate of Freswick whose family ruled the earldoms of Orkney and Caithness during the 9th, 10th and 11th centuries. 11) Nelson, Neilson According to the work on Gunn history by Mark Rugg Gunn (a most interesting book), the sons of the Crowner were (in order of age): Although this could be 'son of Alexander', another of the Crowners sons, there really is scant evidence that the name of Alexander (or Alasdair) was used as a surname by the Clan Gunn. This is a practical example of the problem with sept lists. An early history of clan Gunn, the viking clan. Yου need аn active account tο access thіѕ information. I rest my case against Mr. Robinson, who should know better than to speak on subjects far over his ability. They didn't even list Allisterson as a sept of anyone. Also killed was one "Henderson of the Chanters", MacIans personal piper. In 2002 I contacted the clan's geneaologist, Mr. Abb Gunn, and posed these questions to him. Clan Gunn occupied the northern areas of Caithness and Sutherland and were sworn enemies of Clan Keith. The sons of Somerled were Dougall and Ranald. They are the third of the branches, known as the Gunns of Bregaul or Dale. So where does this and other names appear in other clan books? But it is now. This was near Dunrobin. Many family surnames can be atrributed to multiple Scottish clans or their septs, so therefore can not be attributed to a single clan surname. Clan Gunn's sept list offers no MacAndrew for Anderson, but they do offer MacIan for Johnson, MacHamish for Jameson. There are also endless variations of Scottish surnames and the list below is neither comprehensive nor definitive but is intended solely as a guide to the possible connections a name may have to a recognised clan or family featured in detail elsewhere. Perhaps someone can prove to this historian why those names are on this list. No doubt this last section of questionable clan sept names will ruffle some feathers and elicit some terse responses. Interestingly and perhaps ironically, there were also Hendersons (not of Gunn stock) in the MacDonald Clan near Glencoe. son of the Gunn coroner, Gun (Gunn) Braehour / Halkirk Baptism OPR 1777, Some further Gunn Old Parish Records (Baptism ), Directory to Noblemen and Gentlemen's Seats, Villages etc. One exception was the sept Swan that we will look at later. But did Sir James Gun reach American shores before Columbus? Gunn 'Chief' / Mckaimish; potential lines, Gunn 'Chief' / Mckaimish lines 2; Kinbrace, Gunn 'Chief' / Mackaimish lines 3; Hector Gunn, Gunn 'Chief' / Mckaimish lines 4; Gunn of Corrish, Aeneas Gunn Edinburgh Family trees 1868 / 1870, Aeneas Gunn family trees 1868 / 1870 - introduction, Aeneas James Gunn (Australia) discussion of the Edinburgh trees, Gunns of Watten / Hastigrow; more from Robert Gunn, Donald ‘the Scholar’ Gunn / Adam 'Mulbuie' Gunn line, being the second son of William ‘bheg’ / ‘beag’ Gunn, William in Achanaichan / Achaneccan line being the 2nd son of Donald the Scholar, Lord Lyon on the early history of Clan Gunn 'chiefs', Lord Lyon 2011 interlocutor in the petition of Michael James Gunn, Clan Gunn Family Convention / Derbhfine petition 2012 - and its rejection, On Saint Donan / Saint Donnan and on Kildonan having nothing to do with him, Orkney issues (including the non-existent 'Clan Gunn Chief' Ottar and Snaekollr who stayed in Norway), Pytheas of Massilia, Ptolemy, Clan Gunn and the Orkney Islands origin myth, Why Gunns are not of Norse / Orkney descent. They were also associated with the Henderson Gunns (as well as Rorieson and Manson) in the lowlands of Caithness. His son Tormod became Siol (race of) Tormod (The MacLeods of Harris) and his other son, Torquil became Siol Torquil (MacLeods of Lewis). Principal of Madras Theological College. If the Swans had shared in Clan Gunn's history, there would be little question they would be Gunns. But since it is not borrowing from another clan's sept listing I can see no harm in these additions. Although Anderson is the same as MacAndrew and its own clan, it is also a recognised sept of clan Ross. the seller/advertiser of the test, refuses to admit that it can only tell you if you have a common ancestor with other Since the Gunns have had no chief since 1821, when George Gunn, the 10th Mac-Sheumais Chataich died without an heir. Sons of Torquil, this Viking name is small in comparison to the names Jamesons, Robsons, Johnsons and Wilsons, but curiously the name is also a common one on the Isle of Man, making some connection to the Kings of the Isle of Man and the Isles possible. This is fine, but is that the purpose of a clan society dedicated to the name of one clan? Name Variations: 2. According to the "Black Book of Taymouth" by Thomas Sinclair, a principal chronicler of Gunn history, there was a marriage: This strongly suggests the Hendersons married into a powerful faction of the Campbell Clan and thus explains why so many Hendersons later held high-ranking official positions. Like Anderson, MacDade, Allisterson, MacAlister, is not a sept of Clan Gunn. They held land at Kilearnan and Kildonan. Amazon.com: Robinson of the Clan Gunn - Scottish Clan & Sept 11x17 History Print - Tartan, Buckle, Crest, Last Name Surname Meaning, Genealogy, Family Tree Research Aid, Roots, Ancestry, Ancestors and Namesakes: Posters & Prints The result was the emergence of many septs most based on names of the Crowners sons. http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/gunn/, These sites should be avoided, unless you like throwing your money away. (Bain) - Belongs to the Clan Davidson. Or create a web site for people interested in learning all about clan Gunn, but not joining. 'The Curse of the Gunns', a poem by Thomas Gunn (1873-1950), Kirsty Gunn - the great New Zealand author - on growing up with the bagpipes, Margaret Laurence, Canadian author of 'The Diviners', Gunn tartan / Scottish Commonwealth Games tartan - 2006, The Gunns: HIstory, Myths and genealogy, paperback, Key Issues for a Clan Gunn history by Alastair Gunn, Thomas Sinclair 'The Gunns' and Mark Rugg Gunn 'Clan Gunn', Thomas Sinclair; Supplements to his history of the Clan Gunn, Thomas Sinclair Supplement 1; 2. Chief of the Clan Gunn by the Rev. This chart may be found on page 268 of the aforementioned book. Wilson's can be found in all areas of Scotland, England and even Ireland. St Donan / Donnan and his non-links to Kildonan, 10.2.a.1 - 14 generations of MacHamish Gunns, 10.2.a.2 - Brief lives of 14 MacHamish generations, 10.3 Senior MacHamish Gunns of Killernan, Borrobol, Navidale and Kinbrace, 10.3 - Biographies of 11 MacHamish generations. I quote "Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia" (ISBN#-0004705475 ), a recognised book of the Lord Lyon Office: Even they ackowledge the 10th MacSheumais as the last chief and give the time of his death! However, Sandison is recorded in the history and although the origins are obscure, it could be from the son of Alexander, son of the Crowner. All sources not already included in the text will be given consideration only by email. I've never read or seen Crowner in any books sept listings or met anyone with that name. My guess is that it was added to the Gunn septs because of Gunni's supposed last name of Andresson. If it is a social club of interested parties you want, form a charitable Scottish club, but don't degrade whatever value might be left of a 'pure' clan. Scotland. Sir Robert Gordon says: Sons of John, also slain by the Keiths at St. Tears. Septs are families that followed another family's chief, or part of the extended family and that hold a different surname. 1902, Scotland and Beyond; the Families of Donald Gunn (Tormsdale) and John Gunn (Dalnaha, Strathmore and Braehour), 'Ministers and Men in the Far North' by the Rev. The two soldiers on one horse story; a coroner Gunn myth (or a Gunn - Keith battle myth if you prefer), The Macdonalds of Sleat and a Gunn coroner link, A Gun / Gunn Braemore story, perhaps from the late 1400s, On Scottish clan re-invention in the 18th and 19th centuries, On a Gunn helping 'discover' North America - 'Sir James Gunn of Clyth Crowner of Caithness' and the 'Westford knight' myth, Isobel Gunn 1780? As told in Volume one of "A Brief History of Clan Gunn" the youngest son, Henry had a severe falling out with James over rightful possession of the Crowners arms and other equipment. Sons of Neil - no connection to the MacNeill's of the West Coast. (Sir) Iain Moncreiffe of that Ilk, Highlanders: a history of the Scottish clans (rev. Sons of Henry, the youngest son of the Crowner. Now, Lin Robinson, a member of the clan, has publicly stated that the last 'real' chief died in late 18th century. A third branch of Gunns became the Bregaul Gunns of Dale (the sons of John), and a fourth branch of Gunns was later to become the Henderson Gunns of the Caithness lowlands. 2.1911, The Gunn Papers; 'The Northern Chronicle' 22. This taking-all-members-who-apply-policy is degrading the value of all clans systems into dues paying social clubs. Click here tο view thе Clan Gunn Sept database οf Clan kindreds, Septs, surnames etc. or William Gunn 1795-1867, bagpipe maker, composer, publisher Glasgow. And is it crowner or coroner? In the 20th century some Hendersons formed their own clan. Many Western clans have related progenitors (or the same progenitor) that evolved into separate and distinct, but related clans. I suppose the reasoning will be that the clan had several important Thomas's in the clan! This would seem to imply that the MacCorkill/MacCorkles were with the Robson Gunns or Gunns of Braemore, specifically in the turbulent border area of Strathy, Strath Halladale and Strathnavernia. Other families with different but related surnames that belong to the clan are referred to as “septs.” By far the vast majority of septs of clan Gunn are from descendants of George "the Crowner" (or Coroner of Caithness). The two clans were obviously related but were distinctly different clans sharing a common progenitor. Gunn trieds very hard to make a case for his history, written at the express desire by Clan Gunn - the Lord Lyons has not terminated the Olaf the Black history in favor of any other. Like the MacDougalls and MacDonalds; the Harris and Lewis MacLeods; the Swans and Swansons should, logically, be 'Clan Swan' with a separate history from that of Clan Gunn, but as the other examples, having a common progenitor. In fact it was a recent client of mine who was a part of a sept of Clan Gunn that sparked the idea for this article! 2.1911, The Gunn Papers; 'The Northern Chronicle' 1.3.1911, The Gunn Papers; 'The Northern Chronicle' 8.3.1911, The Gunn Papers; 'The Northern Chronicle' 15.3.1911, A History of Dirlot Cemetery by Dr. William Gunn, A History of Dirlot Cemetery (Part 3; the last), Caithness (Gunn) Family History by John Henderson W.S. (Collins) - Listed as septs of Gunn http://skyelander.orgfree.com/. There is some controversy over whether Torquil was Tormod's brother, nephew or grandson, but the point remains the same: here are two examples of two very distinct clans from the same progenitor -- Leod for the Harris and Lewis MacLeods and Somerled for the MacDougalls and MacDonalds. Although some of this line may have actually descended from a later chief named William (specifically the Williamsons). It is only then that they become dependents (septs) of the Gunns. Dr. Miller, C.I.E. We are told that the Clan Gunn then, takes its name from Sweyn's grandson, Gunni (Andresson?) As an historian and a Gunn by blood, I find some of these new inclusions of septs of other clans very intrusive and irresponsible. (Bain) - Not listed Sometimes yes, sometimes no. ^ Most of the Clan Gunn sept names are derived from the names of chief's sons: Johnson, MacIan, Mackean, Kean and Keene all derive from 'son of John'. Who has approved these names to be added? Who was before 'crowner / coroner' Gunn? http://skyelander.orgfree.com, (copr) Robert M Gunn, MA, 2002 Surnames regarded as possible derivatives of Septs of Clan Gunn or affiliated with Clan Gunn include Anderson — Enrick — Galdie — Gallie — Ganson — Gauldie — Gaunson — Georgeson — GUNN — Henderson — Inrig — Jameson — Jamieson — Johnson — Kean — Keene — MacCorkill — MacCorkle — MacCullie — MacIan — MacKames –MacKeamish — MacKean — MacMains — … No mention of Gunn Now granted, some of the additions are simply spelling variations of existing sept names, such as: MacOmish for MacHamish, MacNeil for Nelson; MacSheoras for Georgeson; Main and Maness as variations of Mann and Manus, and several versions of Wiley that weren't present on the original sept lists. But that doesn't make a sept name. The MacQueens claim similar descent to that of Clan Donald and Irish High kings. To view a special BBC piece on Clan Gunn in Kildonan click HERE. It is from this branch that we have the Robson Gunns of Caithness or the Gunns of Braemore and Strathy. 5) Will, Wilson, MacWilliam and Williamson (of Caithness and Sutherland). Names after Robert, who was slain along with Crowner at St. Tears. Your lineage or descent isn't the only contingent in what makes a clan a clan. They fought for and against the Earls of Sutherland the MacKays, and to a lesser extent, the Sinclairs. It should be noted that initially (until about 1600) they were allied with the Earl of Caithness or Sinclairs, until a dispute arose between them. Chuck Franz. 12. "John Robson, chieftain of Clangun in Catteness (Caithness), did now of late, the yeir of God 1618, mak his refuge of Sutherland, having fallen out with the Earle of Catteness (Sinclair) and Macky; so that this whole surname doth for the present (1618) depend altogether upon the house of Southerland.". The Gunns were a small but very fierce, turbulent and warlike clan of Caithness and Sutherland in the extreme north and east of Scotland. Other Names: Enrick, Eanrig, Gaunson, Ganson, Gallie, Georgeson, Inrig, Jameson, Jamieson, Jamison, Jaisson, Johnson, MacCorkill, MacCorkle, MacHamish, MacIan, MacRob, MacWilliam, Mann, Manson, Manus, Magnus, Nelson, Neilson, Robeson, Robison, Robinson, Sandison, Swanson, Will, Wilson, Williamson, Wilson. Plean also mentions the way Clan Anderson was formed in 1973. As a historian I'm bound by my craft to question this. Allisterson, Anderson, Croner, Crownar, Crowner, Cruiner, Cruner, Eanrig, Enrick, Gailey, Galdie, Gallie, Ganson, Gauldie, Gaunson, George, Georgeson, Henderson, Inrig, Jameson, Jamieson, Jamison, Johnson, Kean, Keene, MacAllister, MacChruner, MacComas, MacCorkill, MacCorkle, MacCullie, MacDade, MacDhaidh, MacEnrick, MacGeorge, MacHamish, MacIan, Mackames, Mackeamis, Mackeamish, Mackean, Mackendrick, MacMains, MacManus, MacNeil, MacOmish, MacRob, MacRory, MacSheoras, MacWilliam, Magnus, Magnusson, Main(s), Maness, Mann, Manson, Manus, More, Neilson, Nelson, Robeson, Robinson, Robison, Robson, Rorieson, Sandison, Swan, Swann, Swanney, Swanson, Thomson, Tomson, Wiley, Will, Williamson, Wills, Wilson, Wiley, Wylie, Wyllie. Braemore and MacRob / Robson Gunns; Chief? Composer of 'The Gunns' Salute''? Clearly, Henderson is another of those names, along with Johnson and Wilson, that was quite common in Scotland and not all are from the Clan Gunn. Of course these septs are supposed to be a derivatives of the Crowner, George Gunn. Going in order of age of the sons we have: then join us in conversation about this, and other Scottish/Celtic topics at http://skyelander.proboards.com Meanwhile, in the south of Scotland, lands at Carnwath in Lanarkshire were acquired by James Wilson in 1655. test subjects. They don't miss a sure bet with these inclusions. They held lands in Halkirk and Westerdale. Forms of 'Gunn's son'. I've done some researching on just who is allowed to assign names to be made septs of the clan. This is due to the Swans having been loyal retainers of Montrose in 1650 when he made his northern headquarters in Thurso. Several battles took place over the 15th century, at Harpsdale in 1426, at Tannach Moor in 1438, and at Dirlot in 1464. Dougall became Clan MacDougall and Ranald's (Reginald) son Donald became Clan Donald (MacDonald). The Clan Gunn, who claim direct descent from the Norse Earls of Orkney is an interesting example of a smaller Highland clan with an ancient history. As it stands now Swan and Swanson are septs of the Clan Gunn and therefore are included amongst the other members of the Gunns. Not all surnames of Johnson are of the Clan Gunn. 7) Henderson, Enrick, Inrig, Eanrig (and various spellings) Clan Gunn sells Mark Rugg Gunn's book and profits by it. The Crowner who lived in the 15th century had many sons before his death at the hands of the Keiths at St. Tayres. Illogical and again inconsistent. No mention of Allisterson. Essentially, a clan is a collection of families, living in a more or less defined area, and loyal to a specific chief. Clan Gunn Heritage Center, The Clan Gunn and Its Country. 11. William followed him a bit later and these Gunns became the Henderson Gunns of Caithness. This name was probably assumed by some members of the Clan because of the famous status of the George, the Crowner. A second (possibly the largest) segment of the Gunns continued to inhabit the highlands (with a small "h") of Caithness (The Robson Gunns or Gunns of Braemore), centering on Braemore and Latheron. The kiltmakers William Wilson & Sons were established at Bannockburn, near Stirling in 1760. He, and William later, went to the lowlands of Caithness, possibly to the parish of Halkirk. Don't use: They were the progenitors of MacIan branch of MacDonalds (MacIan of Glencoe), who was killed in Glencoe in 1692. Getting back to the Gunn Swansons, Mark Rugg Gunn wrote: "The Swansons played no direct role in Gunn history; their locality of residence and mode of life had long separated them from their kinsman (The Gunns).". So simply having the surname of Wilson doesn't automatically mean one is a Gunn. In 1586 the Sinclair Earls of Caithness and the Gordon earls of Sutherland agreed a pact to destroy the clan Gunn and in order to strengthen their position Gunn of Killearnan married the sister of the chief of the clan Mackay. It is preferable to speak of "The names and families of Clan X" rather to call a name "a Sept of Clan X". They also had lands in the Strathmore area. To err is to err, and basing the sept list on erroneous logic is hardly practical or correct. One can only assume it is either a contagious mistake or a deliberate attempt to swell the ranks of the clans. 12) Swan, Swann, Swanson This name does not belong in the Gunn sept listings. It is only a factor. WARNING!! Septs: Henderson, Mackeamish, Robson 3. "The MacCorkells killed many of Clan Ay (MacKay) in their numerous conflicts.". What appears to have happened to the Swansons is that they lived overpopulated in poor conditions and of little influence until, at some point in the late 17th century they became a broken clan (or family). If Mark Rugg Gunn is correct, that Svein (or Sweyn) is the parent line of the clan, then it is highly unusual that the Swans and Swansons have almost no history with the rest of the clan. Let me give some examples to make this clearer. This one is cut and dry. etc In Scotland, Balnakeil Old Cemetery, Durness; John Gunn, Land Steward of Durness, John Gun, Master of the Charity School, Kildonan 1743, Papers On Sutherland Estate Management 1802-1816, McElgunns / Gunns of Killyfoyle Northern Ireland, Frank Gunn Quebec City chandler / coal merchant; Fermanagh Eniskillen, Gunns ; Victorian War (Australia) Heritage Inventory, William Gunn KIA 24 November 1915 at Gallipoli - ANZAC. Anderson doesn't belong as a sept of Clan Gunn. More information regarding our AGM and special events for the year will posted on my new message page listed below. 1902, Thomas Sinclair Supplement 4; 23. This is why I consider the clans' today nothing more than social clubs and having less and less relevance to real blood heritage. - we have no written proof of Gunni's surname if indeed he had one. Part II - The Original Septs of Clan Gunn. Clan MacKay also claims Williamson. Son of George, the Crowner. I certainly hope so. If we simply want to further interest in Scotland then have non-members join a St. Andrews or Caledonian Society. Also from the Caithness area, they became the Gunns of Bregaul of Dale (Easterdale). They shared an identical progenitor, Somerled, but evolved into two distinct clans with separate histories. If the Swans declined, they declined no worse than the Gunns, who were still very Norse themselves. (Plean) Not listed due to controversy and confusion amongst claims made by clans Campbell, MacThomas, and most recently the newly reformed Clan of MacTavish, which literally translates to Thomson . In one account of Gunn history he mentions combative ability of the MacCorkills. Now it is time to take a serious and studious look at 10 or so additions and why some of them are problematic as legitimate septs of the Clan Gunn. Collins, Bain or Way & Plean list none of these variations as surnames of Scotland. He does mention, without specifics, that the Henderson Gunns still occasionally used the name Gunn. Thіѕ іѕ a searchable database аnԁ wіƖƖ hеƖр speed up thе search fοr clan kindreds οf Gunn Septs, surname, country etc. The Clan societies are not being used as they should be - for Scots of that bloodline to gather with people who are actually related to them, even if in a very distant way. (Collins) - Anderson is listed as Ross and possibly MacDonald. 12. Assuming it is true exactly as written: Sweyn begat Andres who begat Gunni, the simple fact that the Swans (the parent line) played no part in Clan Gunn's history (for over 500 years) surely must be taken into account. Mark Rugg Gunn goes on to say: "We first hear of the Swansons in the 17th century at which time the appear to be confined to Thurso. I wonder if they know the Gunn's are claiming them? 3]. 12. The surnames of the Septs listed below [left] give the Clan [right] to which they are associated with. These names are forms of the eldest son James (son of James) who became the chief of the clan in Sutherland. The subject of septs is a contentious one and one which is difficult to resolve with any degree of historical accuracy. There is a small paragraph in Sinclair's "History of the Gunns" mentioning one Alexander Gunn who went by the alias Georgeson. If it keeps going at this rate, in 25-30 years we will have a sept list over 120 and only a small fraction of the members will actually be Gunns! The Clan Gunn are true Highlanders who claim their descent from Guin, second son of Olans or Ollar the Black, the Norse king of Man and the Isles, who died in 1237. 3) Johnson, MacIan What he doesn't mention is that Swan and Swanson are also of Clan MacQueen and to that clan it has the same meaning: 'son of Sweyn' or MacSween. In 1663 an inquisition mentions a "William Manson" (or Henderson), heir of David Manson Henderson" in Brabsterdorran. His departure was so bitter that he moved back to the lowlands of Caithness. (Clan) Gunn Orkney Islands origin myth, 6. If the clan was going to list the surname More, why not spelling variants such as Moor, Moore, Mor, Mhor? Let's keep this tradition moving forward! However, there are nine names in this new listing that are highly questionable. It is also necessary to mention that 'son of John' - Johnson - can be found all over Britain as this is and was a very common name. 12. They acquired lands in Banniskirk where the Commander of Clan Gunn is today (or at least his title). I have a sneaking suspicion where this well established name comes from.
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